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The Decision Notice was issued on 12 November, refusing permission to extend to two storeys, on the grounds of overshadowing, being out of character and lack of a parking plan.
The DN can be viewed here.
7 November 2020: Better late than never! Safety signs have now been attached to the newly whitewashed hoarding and shrubbery/trees around the building cut down, making the spectre of a second storey above what exists even more over-dominatng, due to its extremely close proximity to the Greenwood Centre - not even a metre between. It would reduce light into the hall from the front windows, which are the main source of natural light, apart from the glass fire exit doors at the side rear end.
How can the second storey be built without access to the side adjacent to the Centre and how will the exterior be maintained? There is barely room for a man to squeeze between the boundary wall and the building, so neither a ladder nor scaffolding could be erected there. Since there is less than one metre between the two buildings, another query is how the public conveniences came to be built that close to the wall in the first place! Should not a second storey be at least one metre from the boundary? The building line in the High Street is not clear but houses from number 8 upwards have a much longer frontage and lie further back from the road, so it is questionable why the public conveniences were built extending twelve feet in front of the Centre. Surely now is the time to have this corrected, not exacerbated by allowing a second storey to be added?
LBB's Planning Department have still not made a decision on the planning application but it is hoped that, should they not reject it, a Planning Committee will be allowed to consider it before a decision is finalised. Our local ward Councillor, Mike Botting, has made that request.
28 July 2020
Only four years later and now another planning application has just been submitted to increase the building by adding another floor and squeezing in four offices, a kitchen and a toilet. The plans and elevations are below. However, the site area indicated includes some land which is not owned by Malekos Estates Commercial Ltd (sic Georgios Malekos, sole director), including the front verge, which provides the only access to the site. Surely this would be an excessive overdevelopment which will overlook gardens in Manitoba Gardens. It is an unattractive design, totally out of character with the area and on that side of the High Street, it is completely residential.
Having measured the building from the outside, allowing for the central staircase and wall thickness, the three larger offices will be approximately 12ft x 18.5ft, which converts to 51 cubic metres, assuming ceiling height is 8ft - this allows accommodation for 4 persons (11 cubic metres per person). The smaller office will be approximately 12ft x 9ft, converting to 25 cubic metres, allowing accommodation for 2 persons. The plans only show one desk for the smaller office and two for the others but it does not stop a user squeezing in more legally, which would mean there COULD be 14 persons regularly on the site. Bike racks appear on the plans but there is NO on site parking, regardless of the fact that there is no vehicular access to the site and the Council would not approve a new dropped verge at that location, due to the pedestrian crossing. The Association had a battle to prove that their and the resident at number 6's driveway and dropped kerb had been in position long before Orpington Urban District Council put in the pedestrian crossing in the 1960s. Due to this, the apparently incongruous entrance and exit from number 6 and the Centre is allowable.
Local residents will, no doubt, object to this development on parking grounds, as well as overlooking Manitoba Gardens properties, overdevelopment impacting on the Greenwood Centre and being totally out of character for the area, as there are no other modern flat roof buildings in the High Street. There are also access/right of way considerations, which would need to be overcome before any development could begin and the fact that there is a fire exit route from the back of the Centre, coming out into the High Street, from the side of the former public conveniences building, which has been in use as such for nearly 40 years. This is essential, particularly for the pre-school, and must be preserved.
The full documentation can be viewed on the Planning Portal here:
Planning Applications (enter 20/02569)
These meetings are open to the public and take place at 7:30pm in Green Street Green Baptist Church Hall, World's End Lane.
The Ward Panel needs some representation from young people to provide a balanced view of local issues. Meetings are every 3 months - usually on a Wednesday evening 7:30-9pm. Anyone from the area who is interested, please contact Margot.Rohan@yahoo.co.uk
Telephone: 020 8721 2605
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The first Green Street Green Tweet Up on 12 February 2018 was the 20th event, previously known as Orpington Tweet up, which launched in February 2013.
Generously sponsored by local Green Street Green estate agent, Edmund's, Tweet Ups are FREE community events to encourage responsible use of social media but also to promote local activities and projects - contributors and those interested in learning more about what's happening in the Orpington area are all welcome.
NEXT ONE: Monday 1 July 2019 at 7:45pm at The Greenwood Centre, Green Street Green - focussing on a theme TBC relevant to the local area.
IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR THE NEXT THEME, PLEASE EMAIL US SO THEY CAN BE CONSIDERED - if you would like to come along and speak or are interested in promoting local organisations and events, please contact us.
Book your place on Eventbrite Click on links to Download Poster and Agenda (when available)
Any local organisations which would like to participate and promote their activities, please email Margot Rohan
To see previous Tweet Ups, visit the Orpington Community website: Orpington Tweet Up
8 April 2019 - Animal Rescue and Welfare
Jean Hildrew from Battersea Dogs and Cats Home gave an illuminating history:
She has been a volunteer for 7 years. She brought a rescue dog with her - Dixie, a Labradoodle found abandoned three kilos underweight. Jean is an Intake Socialiser but also cleans kennels, does laundering etc. and helps at fundraising events.
Battersea Dogs Home was founded in Holloway in 1850 by Mary Tealby, who sadly died 5 years later. There is no photograph of her. In 1883 cats started to be taken in. Battersea Old Windsor started up in 1979 and Little Brands Hatch 10 years later. In 2002 the name was changed to Battersea Dogs and Cats Home. It was rebranded in 2018, with a cartoon logo.
In 2018 7,000 animals were helped with rehoming and reuniting with families - 3,000 were cats. 9 dogs and 7 cats are taken in every day on average. 250 dogs and 120 cats are regularly in residence. 65% are handed in ('gifted') and 30% are strays but the latter have reduced in numbers. 1,225 animals were reunited with their original owners. Dolly, a dog, was resident for 400 days but is now happily rehomed.
The lost animals line received 3,000 calls plus 3,500 from people who had found animals.
In 2015 a new block with a veterinary hospital was built at Battersea. A lot of the funds came from the Northern Line, which is being built under Battersea.
There is also an Academy to help smaller rescue centres all over the world. Battersea is involved in international campaigns. Its biggest concern is dogs sold online.
Volunteers back up staff to ensure animals get the best care. Battersea is an expert in championing vulnerable dogs and cats. Now it looks outwards much more.
There are 500 staff and about 800 volunteers (not all active at the same time). All dogs have medical assessments. In an emergency they go to a local vet. Every dog has an ICP (individual care plan). Care is taken in matching animals with new owners. 'Forever Loved' provides lifetime support to all owners.
There are different ways in which people can volunteer. Bedding is always needed:
Fashionable breeds also appear, such as chihuahua, greyhounds, lurchers, pugs - the latter often need face operations for breathing difficulties. Mongrels are much rarer now.
There is also a working dogs co-ordinator. Battersea had the first staffie to work in a prison. A lot of spaniels go to working homes.
Jean related stories about a couple of Battersea's rehomed dogs:
Peggy, a collie/staffie/russell cross, did not like doors. She was fostered for a long time but, after a year, a country home was found for her and she has now come to terms with doors.
Dolly, an American bull dog, found her face did not fit. However, a man turned up who had lost his dog. He was on his own and it was a marriage made in heaven.
Lucas Rudge from Reptile Events explained the pros and cons of keeping reptiles as pets:
Lucas is the owner. He started out doing the PR side for another rescue centre but ended up taking it over. It is now run as a rescue centre with PR and education. His passion is myth and legend-busting and he aims to reach people who are not interested in reptiles, in order to save them. He and members of his team visit schools, country shows etc - anywhere where they can educate people. They handle all reptiles apart from terrapins and turtles - up to 18 feet long.
They are the only reptile rescue service in the south east and no equipment is available for handling snakes over 12 feet. Lucas recounted an incident where he collected an 18ft python. He had been told it was only 12 feet so was not equipped to manage it. Two people struggled to get it into the box to transport it and eventually succeeded after some time.
The law has been changed so that children under 16 years cannot own a reptile. Many people buy snakes for children, not understanding the issues. Snakes are active at night. They are good pets but have a 50 year lifespan and are well-known for going off their food. They can go for 3-6 months without eating. They do not need to be fed live food - appropriate food can be purchased online and kept frozen. It needs to be defrosted and warmed up before offering it to snakes, as they have heat vision, so will not see it is food if it is not warm.
They mainly do house rescues. The oldest pet rescued was only 18 months old. Fashion snakes have been bred in different colours but the governing body has now banned different coloured non-natural snakes. Wild rescues are mainly grass snakes. People abandon snakes thinking they can survive in the wild – but depends on origin – some snakes need higher temperatures.Snakes get dumped as people think they will cope in the wild, without realising they may not survive in a cold climate.
Project work involves going to events where people have not seen wild animals.
In over 10 years of handling 2,000 snakes per year Lucas has only been bitten 4 times.
Anyone can contact the centre for help and advice.
Kylie Simons from Ashmore Veterinary Centre talked about her work:
The Ashmore Centre was started in 2013 by Hilary La Thrope and daughter Sarah. Hilary is a very experienced surgeon. She tries to be more affordable for people. In 2014 Kylie joined with a nurse. There are three full time vets and one part-time, plus 4 nurses.
Ashmore also covers low cost referrals and rescue work. They advise people how to care better for their animals. They work with Pro-Dogs Direct based in Aldershot, which takes on puppy farm dogs without making any judgments. Sometimes they are in an awful state, scared, never having been outside.
Kylie related the case of Fudge, a young girl lurcher dog with a broken leg.– The owner did not have money to pay for the dog's treament. Ashmore fixed the broken leg and looked after Fudge for several months, before finding a new owner.
Another case involved a Border Terrier. Ashmore received a phone call from Companion Care in Orpington. They had found the dog abandoned, collapsed and unable to stand., weighing just three kilos instead of eight to nine. Blood results revealed the dog was severely malnourished and anaemic. Ashmore had a greyhound blood donor and gave the terrier a blood transfusion. Within 2-3 weeks it recovered and they found new owners.
A young Russian blue cat was brought into the Centre with an awful skin condition and no hair. It is now fully recovered and living in Green Street Green.
Bull dogs and pugs often need surgery for breathing problems. A lot get rehomed. Sometimes they have to sedate dogs if they will not allow vaccinations, nail clipping etc.
Kylie explained that they are always looking for dogs to be blood donors. Good donors are 1-8yrs old, over 25 kilos and up to date with vaccinations and worming.
Sharon Baldwin, Executive Director of Orpington 1st, gave an update on the latest activities in the High Street:
The Orpington BID (Business Improvement District) consists of 350 businesses, which contribute by paying an extra 1.5% on their business rates. The Council passes on the money to Orpington 1st.
There is a ballot every five years voting on continuing the BID. It is now in its 6th year. A majority of 90% of businesses voted in favour - a very high rate. There are 320 BIDs across UK. Retail is struggling. Large national companies were propping it up but now most of the big names are in serious financial trouble.
In Orpington there are 225 ground floor units, shops and restaurants. There are another 100 units above the shops and these are becoming more important in holding the town centre together. Employees in offices come out and boost the lunchtime trade, with more customers at weekends. New service sectors are being encouraged into the High Street. There are branches of all five main national banks, which is very rare. They bring in smaller businesses.
There is a new policy to convert retail to residential, with the need for more housing. There has been mixed response to this as now too many small units are being converted, which is detrimental in smaller town centres. A lot of work is needed to maintain what exists. A new structure is needed to build town centres of the future. How will they look, how big should they be, how many coffee shops can exist? What about markets? New activities are required as people want to do different, exciting things. New challenges must be anticipated to ensure Orpington town centre delivers them. Orpington 1st has spoken to the Council about doing a development plan for the area. 6 years later the process has started. The first consultation meeting was three weeks ago. Jo Johnson, senior local politicians, Knoll RA ad others all met to think about what is needed. It is important to ensure the right project is wanted by everyone. Orpington 1st has put in a bid for £200,000 to prepare a proper consultation document with architects etc. If successful, there will be nine months for a public consultation. The Council has been asked to be as open and transparent as possible and to involve local people. If the bid is unsuccessful, LBB has agreed that Orpington is the most important area in the borough. The Walnuts will be key to what happens in that area, as two main areas are no longer fit for purpose.
There is not enough in the shopping centre but what is needed? What does Orpington want to be known for? In the market what should we have? Far more housing will be brought into the centre. What balance of housing is needed to support the commercial business? The voice of local residents must be strong to express what they want, particularly in terms of the leisure offer - swimming pool etc.?
Orpington has great transport links but still wants to be better connected. Connectivity between the High Street and Nugent centre is being considered. Another focal point is Biggin Hill, where an Aviation College is being built , which will offer new opportunities. There will also be a new hotel for aircraft staff.
The cost of running physical shops is increasing as more people are buying online. However, in Orpington the vacancy rate is 7% which is lower than the average 11%.
Current developments include:
Orpington 1st will continue putting on events in the square, which the businesses in the High Street finance.
Crockenhill Second Chance Animal Rescue was unable to attend due to being called out to an incident of horses in the road.
(For further information on any of the organisations, click on the underlined green links)
Trustee and Secretary, Green Street Green Association
On Thursday 7 March 2019, the Mayor of Bromley, Councillor Kim Botting, welcomed the Mayor of Thunder Bay, Councillor Kristen Oliver and other visitors at the ceremony to sign the Friendship Agreement between the two entities, to commemorate the long history between Orpington and Canada, dating back to World War I. Below is the Mayor of Bromley's speech:
"Mayor Councillor Kristen Oliver, Deputy Lieutenants, High Commissioner, Colonels, Honorary Freeman, Honorary Aldermen, Members of Parliament, Councillors from LBB & Canada, colleagues from the Royal British Legion in the U.K. & Canada, Chief Executives, Ladies & Gentlemen - Good afternoon and a very warm welcome to this wonderful and prestigious event, the Signing of a very special Friendship Agreement between the LBB and Thunder Bay (the City of the Poppy) in Canada.
In 2015 - 2016, when I was also the Mayor of Bromley, I attended a service at Canadian Corner at All Saints Church, Bark Hart Road Orpington to unveil a display panel to mark the 100th Anniversary of Canadian Corner, where 88 Canadian soldiers are buried facing West towards Canada. The display panel was blessed by Bishop James of Rochester and we also planted a tree in memory of Victor Lilia. It was here that I met several Canadians who had flown over for this service. I met John Pateman at the service and he is here today and is originally from Orpington but moved to Canada & became Chief Executive for the Thunder Bay Public Libraries. John reiterated the history of World War 1 and the history surrounding Canadian Corner to me. Looking at the gravestones at Canadian Corner & seeing many of the Canadian Soldiers were teenagers who died for our country, I was moved and, with John & the RBL, we realised a friendship Agreement should happen. There are Canadians buried throughout Bromley Borough, the most at Canadian Corner, and the Royal British Legion had been wanting a friendship Agreement for many years. When I became President of the RBL in Orpington I saw even more of this passion & need for this Friendship Agreement to happen.
In 2018 I was very happy to become Mayor for a second term, not only because I loved being involved with the Community but because, at the back of my mind, I wanted to try & make the Friendship Agreement happen. With the support of the Leader, Councillor Colin Smith, our Chief Executives, Doug Patterson and Ade Adetosoye & fellow Councillors.
I gave them a presentation and, to my delight, gained their support that was needed to make this happen. Thank you - to the Mayor of Thunder Bay, Kristen Oliver, the Chief Executive John Hannam, John Pateman and all of the visiting Canadians. I am absolutely delighted that we are all here today making this happen and making history.
Now I would like to give you some historical facts as to why this friendship agreement is happening today & why it's important to all of us and the RBL.
City of the Poppy
Tomorrow, 8th March, there will be a church Service at All Saints Church Orpington given by Reverend Robert Parker McGee at Canadian Corner & a museum with Memorabilia will be displayed in the Church. So 10am at the Church, museum, followed on to the Church Cemetery and Ivy Millichap’s grave (the last civilian). 11.45am at Canadian Corner for a short service led by Reverend Robert Parker McGee. There will be light refreshments and all are welcome.
Then at 12 noon we go to visit Orpington Hospital where we will kindly be received by Mr Paul White the manager and his team. I will be unveiling a plaque there commemorating the Friendship Agreement.
Thank you all for coming here today and again I am delighted that the Mayor Kristen Oliver & all our honoured guests are here to mark this very special occasion, the Signing of the Friendship Agreement & making history.
Thank you to the Royal British Legion for their continued support and for helping towards making this signing happen.
I would also like to say a big thank you to Honorary Alderman Dr Eric Bosshard and Mrs Terry Bosshard for their brilliant performance and for being here today.
Also to Margaret Lobo, Joanna Rose, the Mayor’s team and all those who have helped out with organising this event – it is greatly appreciated.
Once again thank you very much for attending this prestigious event and let’s say congratulations to all those who are present here today."
Unfortunately the Mayor of Thunder Bay (Canada) is now unable to come over to sign the Agreement on the 11 November. It will be postponed but hopefully no later than March 2019, when the Mayor of Bromley, Cllr Kim Botting, will also sign at Bromley Civic Centre. Thunder Bay has a number of sister city arrangements with countries around the world. The Friendship Agreement will formalise the relationship between the London Borough of Bromley and the City of Thunder Bay, which is based on over 100 years of shared history and remembrance. It will be a citizen driven relationship with a focus on educational and cultural links and exchanges.
The Remembrance events in Orpington, on Sunday 11 November, will comprise:
10:40am Muster at Orpington War Memorial
10:50am Act of Remembrance begins
11.20am Depart from the War Memorial
11.40am Church service at All Saints' Parish Church, Bark Hart Road
12.20pm Procession to Ivy Millichamp's grave
12.30pm Procession to Canadian Corner with Bugler
12.40pm Depart to the Royal British Legion for refreshments
A planning application has been submitted to demolish The Chelsfield and build a mixed residential and commercial development with 10 apartments on 3 floors and a pub and retail on the ground floor. Whilst the idea of a redevelopment might be acceptable, local residents may well have concerns about the proposed plans below. The internal target date is 12 December and determination deadline is 16 January, so objections should be submitted by the first date, to be on the safe side.
Some material planning considerations on which objections might be made are:
PROPOSED ELEVATIONS IN CONTEXT (showing existing building size in red)
9th November 2018
7 -9:30 pm
Get ready for a Firewalk or Lego Walk challenge this year!
Don’t miss out on our Early Bird offer which ends on 1st October at 11am
Why not brave the heat and challenge your perceptions by walking barefoot over hot coals this November. You’ll be in the safe hands of the Guinness World Record firewalker who will coach you across the 14 feet of hot coals, with temperatures up to 1000F, without experiencing any pain.
For this year, we have our brand new Lego walk for children. Take on this challenge of walking across Lego bricks. This will be great way for children to also join in the fun.
The evening will be a fun event for the whole family – why not get everyone involved and just a few days after fireworks night. There will be a BBQ and refreshments so bring your friends and family to cheer you on.
Firewalk – Early Bird Offer ends 1st October at 11am
Registration fee: £15
Sponsorship: we ask that you raise a minimum of £100
Walkers must be 16 or over to participate, under 18s must be accompanied by a parent or guardian at the event. Registration will increase to £25 from 1st October
Lego Walk – Early Bird Offer ends 1st October at 11am
Registration fee: £5
Sponsorship: we ask that you raise a minimum of £25
Walkers must be 6 or over to participate and accompanied by a parent or guardian at the event. Registration will increase to £10 from 1st October.
To register and for more information, please email J.Mowbray@stchristophers.org.uk
By 7:30pm on Saturday 24 March, the Quiz was in full swing.
A good time was had by all on our second quiz evening. We had 60 “quizzers” which were split into 9 teams and we also had 9 rounds including an interesting “sweet” round where teams had to identify various types of sweets – either by eating them or smelling them – most teams took the first option !
At the end of the quiz there were just 2 points between “Wizard of “0”s and “Cantium” with the former taking first place. The “Wooden Spoon” award was given to the “Games of Phones” who only had 4 members in their team and still managed a healthy score despite coming last.
For a change the raffle prizes were wrapped in brown paper concealing the item so the winners had a surprise gift to open.
Our Quiz Master and author was Neil who, despite our sound system producing rather loud noises on odd occasions, managed to preside over the proceeding with just the right amount of joviality needed.
Profits from this event go towards maintaining the hall and perhaps to even providing a new sound system for our next quiz evening and future events!
Janet Stacey - Membership Secretary & Events Committee
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