You can search the articles on this blog page by selecting a month or a category, on the righthand side, if you scroll down.
This page is for you to let us know your thoughts on anything else which is not a blog article (where you can comment directly), about:
- articles on the website
- what you think of the website (please keep it clean!)
- what else you would like to see on the website
- improvements - please suggest things which would make
navigation of the site easier
- any aspects of Green Street Green we are missing
- more of some things
- less of some things
- offers of help in keeping this website active and interesting
Please add your comments below.
UPDATE: Adrian Tullett is Kevin Carey's replacement at Metrobus. We will be contacting him to follow up on the action points agreed by Mr Carey.
The discussions covered parking issues related to Metrobus staff and also a wider review of parking in the Green Street Green area. The impact of recently introduced parking restrictions and those currently being implemented in the Beechwood Estate were also raised, as well as looking at parking in the 'tree' roads (Ash, Elm, Beech, Oak and Holly) and around World's End Lane.
The meeting was very encouraging, with some positive solutions put forward. It is clear that there are adequate parking spaces available for Metrobus staff on site but, for largely unknown reasons, many staff prefer to park off site. Kevin Carey agreed to a number of action points, mainly to continue to find out the real reasons why staff park off site and to encourage them to use the on site parking. He is open to new suggestions and ideas to promote this. However, it is hoped that the local parking restrictions can be evolved to deter staff from parking on local streets, whilst not inconveniencing residents. Paul Nevard gave an update on the parking review and plans for implementation of the new restrictions on Beechwood Estate. He also agreed that pavement parking may well be an acceptable solution in the tree roads. The Society will continue to monitor the situation and updates will be posted here. The action points agreed at the meeting can be downloaded here.
13 December 2013
Councillor Colin Smith, Deputy Leader of the Council and Portfolio Holder for Environment, and Kevin Carey, CEO of Metrobus, have agreed to a meeting, with ward councillors, council officers, members of the Village Society committee and the chair of Beechwood Residents' Association on Thursday 6 February.
Metrobus have also advised that:
“At the end of November a further 12 buses (and 35 drivers) will relocate following the tendering loss of one of our routes and in May 2014 we plan to relocate route 367 (10 buses, 30 drivers) from Orpington to our Croydon depot.”
This should help to alleviate some of the parking issues.
28 November 2013
Bromley Councillors and council officers, plus Metrobus CEO agreeable to meet with Village Society Committee members and Chair of Beechwood Residents' Association. Mutually convenient date to be found in January..........
23 November 2013
Councillor Colin Smith, Portfolio Holder for Environment, is being very supportive in aiding the Village Society to arrange a meeting between Metrobus, the Council and local residents, represented by Beechwood Residents' Association and the Village Society.
Senior management at Metrobus has contacted the Village Society and is also keen to have a meeting to discuss and, hopefully, resolve the parking issues.
WATCH THIS SPACE!
19 November 2013
The Village Society committee discussed this issue at their meeting on 11 November.
Beechwood Residents’ Association has been consulting with the council over parking restrictions, to ease the problem for residents. One of the proposals is for one-hour parking restrictions in the morning and early evening on certain parts of the Beechwood Estate. This will no doubt result in Metrobus staff parking elsewhere in the Green Street Green area, so will only cause parking problems for different residents. Parking is worse since the parking restrictions were implemented on the high street. It has been pushed further afield, such as the top of Glentrammon Road. Metrobus staff do not park only in the Beechwood Estate.
One thing which the Society will query is about the on-site notices – were they displayed?
It was suggested that maybe the land at the Rose and Crown could be used for parking buses, particularly at night. However when they parked there previously, residents complained about revving engines.
An overview of parking across the whole area should be taken, rather than the current piecemeal approach since parking restrictions in one area merely move the problem elsewhere. It was decided that a meeting between all the interested parties should be arranged to discuss how to resolve the issue in the long term. A letter has been emailed to relevant portfolio holders at Bromley Council and the local ward councillors, asking for support in achieving this aim.
to continue to use the parking spaces to their advantage and the detriment of local residents. In December 2010, Metrobus submitted a planning application (10/03655) for the demolition of Oak Farm Cottages, to provide 30 more parking spaces for Metrobus staff (see on the right), plus 6 extra spaces (for staff) to be provided by reconfiguration in the main site. However, although the demolition of the cottages went ahead, regardless of the lack of planning permission, and the extra parking spaces were provided, it does not appear to have resolved the issue of staff parking.
On 31 October this year - a week ago - restrospective planning permission (for the December 2010 application) was granted by Bromley Council's Plans sub-committee. At the same time, the other application, to vary the conditions of the original planning application (2004) and subsequent changes in the 2009 planning application, was also approved. This now means that Metrobus is at liberty to use all their parking spaces (less 6) (this SHOULD mean 192, or is it only 183?) on the main site for buses, instead of staff parking. A strong case to retain the Condition was made by ward members, Cllrs Russell Jackson and Julian Grainger, with supporting remarks from Cllr Colin Smith (Environment Portfolio Holder). However, the Committee went along with the Recommendation for Permission – for reasons as yet unknown – but probably because of the Recommendation plus comments in the Planning report from “Highways” that seem to have been taken out of context.
(“Highways” is the same department that has been working on parking schemes in Green Street Green and the Beechwood Estate.)
Cllr Colin Smith has asked the Director of Environment to investigate.
Since Metrobus has been in contravention of the original condition for a number of years, it remains to be seen whether the regularisation of their previously illegal use of the parking bays will in any way improve the difficulties suffered by local residents due to off-site parking by their staff. It seems quite clear that the dedicated 30 staff parking bays created on the Oak Farm Cottages site are inadequate to accommodate staff and visitors, whether for the first shift or any other time of day. Parking by Metrobus staff has been a continuing bone of contention locally, as staff have parked on and around the high street, thereby reducing parking for shoppers and the possibility of passing trade. The recent parking restrictions and charges and the opening up of Shire Lane for parking had eased the situation, although residents in some side roads have complained of parking difficulties due to non-residents parking there. Parking at the top of Glentrammon Road (where there are no restrictions) has also increased significantly in recent months. The parking surveys carried out in 2010 and 2012 (see link below) only covered the Beechwood Estate, so took no account of possible parking by Metrobus staff elsewhere in Green Street Green. No reason is given as to why only that area was surveyed. At those times the current parking restrictions were not in place, so it would surely seem logical to have surveyed the high street as well?
The curious management of these developments gives cause for concern and raises the following queries regarding the application for variation of the conditions:
- Why did Bromley Council not enforce the Breach of Condition notice, during the last 3 years?
- Why did it take 3 years for the application (and the one for demolition of Oak Farm Cottages) to come to committee? Did any members of the
committee query this at the meeting and, if so, what was the reason given?
- Both of the 'public consultations' - March/April 2010 and August/September 2013 (holiday period?) - lasted for only 3 weeks and appear to have
been limited to the Beechwood estate - why were local residents not made more aware?
- The only press advertisements appeared in March/April 2010 (no doubt under 'Public Notices' in very small print which few people read!).
- Interestingly, dates of 'site notices' are 'not available' - does this mean none were posted?
This situation will be discussed at the Village Society Committee meeting on 11 November. If you have any comments, please add them to this
article. Relevant documents from the planning application pages on the council website can be accessed from the links below.
Bromley Council Agenda for 31 October 2013
Decision of April 2005 granting planning permission - see condition 7 about staff/visitor parking
Decision of September 2009 granting planning permission - see condition 3 about staff/visitor parking
Parking Surveys 2010 and 2012
Margot Rohan - Secretary, Village Society
12 March 2013
The following public notice was posted in the News Shopper on 6 March: Public Notice ref. Green Street Green Parking Proposals
Anyone who wishes to raise any objections, must respond by 27 March 2013 to the Director of Environmental Services, Civic Centre, Stockwell Close, Bromley BR1 3UH, quoting reference ADE(TP)/RP/T100/591.
27 September 2012
Environment Committee approved proposals at meeting on 25 September (see Item 20e - draft minutes).
Proposal plans can be viewed here: Proposal 1 (High Street up to Laxey Road) and Proposal 2 (Laxey Road to World's End Lane)
Following the consultation, the proposals will be scrutinised at the meeting of the Environment Committee on Tuesday 25 September
(Agenda Item 7e).
Councillor Julian Grainger has provided the following analysis of the survey/comments:
* Laxey & Lezayre
Not enough few residents indicated a willingness to consider Permits - even the £40 option.
- Laxey 7 out out of the 18 without a drive
- Lezayre 4 out of the 6 without a drive
In each case the Permit supporters were scattered (even in Lezayre) so it would not be practical to have even one short Permit bay.
* Glentrammon Avenue
23 households considered there was a problem in their road.
The proposals were not supported - even though 16 indicated a preference for either reduced cars or shorter stays.
With these 3 roads being at the heart of the problem, and apparently no clear view discernible, there was a brief flirtation with deferring - with the risk of losing momentum. As this would leave the problems unresolved meetings were held to see if there was any way to make progress.
Fortunately there is some encouraging news about creating extra parking.
- Old Shire Lane has a viable scheme drafted
- Bus stand in front of Shell garage - Transport for London have agreed to a temporary (6 mth) suspension. Bromley Council will remove the
- Large footway in front of ICARE. The over-large pavement could be cut back providing 4 extra spaces.
So through the fog of a myriad of seemingly conflicting comments from residents it is thought that a "Phase 1" is possible.
* Laxey & Lezayre
- Bays marked (as per consultation) but no Permits, Pay & Display or reduced hours.
- One hour Single Yellow Line on one side, halfway up (about 30 yards in Laxey, 50 yards in Lezayre)
Reasoning: Marked bays should tidy parking away from drives and rear access. SYL should reduce dense, all day parking in the mid-sections.
* Glentrammon Avenue
On closer examination, objections were around the siting of specific marked bays, the junction with Glentrammon Gardens and the short section from No.4 to No.8 (No. 15 to No.21) - between the bends.
- No marked bays, just gaps in yellow lines
- One hour Single Yellow Line (with some gaps) for the majority, Double Yellow Line (with fewer gaps) between Laxey & Nos 4/15
- Some proposed bays/gaps removed, mostly covered by 1 hour SYL or DYL (the former allowing short stays, the latter no parking)
Reasoning: Gaps in Yellow lines will direct parking to acceptable spots, suitably scattered. Single Yellow Line still allows for shorter stays elsewhere in Glentrammon Avenue. Double Yellow Lines focused on section between the bends. Fewer signs and markings.
- Proceed with Pay & Display from Waitrose to Lezayre Road (i.e. not near Queens Head, opp. Nos. 8 to 20)
- Propose 50p hour (instead of 60p) with 10p of time being allowed.
- Pushing for 9am - 5pm but officers want "standard" 8:30am to 6:30pm
Reasoning: P&D encourages turnover allowing more customers to visit. Section nr Queens Head needed for residents & shopkeepers.
* Other minor proposals to proceed, with minor adjustments suggested by residents
Officers believe that a "Phase 1" is viable - and would be reviewed in 6 months anyway.
Impact less than the original proposal but should tidy parking (i.e. better than nothing)
If Old Shire Lane can be implemented soon it should draw Metrobus staff away.
The revised proposals are very adjustable (e.g. add or delete road markings) so unexpected impacts dealt with quickly.
A PUBLIC CONSULTATION took place during August, closing on 7 September: Finalised proposals were notified to all residents in affected roads. There was a period for feedback and comments were collected and analysed, before final recommendations were decided by the council.
At a meeting held at the Greenwood Community Centre on 13 April, just under 40 local residents and traders discussed the DRAFT proposals put forward by Councillor Julian Grainger from Bromley Council. The feedback from this meeting will be taken into consideration and final proposals
will be submitted by Bromley Council to all residents in a couple of months - probably May/June. Then a full public consultation will take place before a final decision is made by the council. Council officers want to get the proposals as near as possible to what is wanted by residents, before sending them out for consultation.
The Chair of the Green Street Green Village Society, Tony Bradley, and Councillor Grainger gave a brief summary:
- Concentrating on high street
- Kingsley Road – parking on pavement to be allowed on uphill side
- Lynne Close – proposing some free parking
- Lezayre and Laxey Road – residents cannot park outside their own houses – proposal to have residents’ only parking and pay and display (which
residents with permits can also use)
- Glentrammon Avenue – proposing free parking
- High Street – proposals for pay and display – some time limited (to be agreed)
- Green Farm Close – proposing a few more spaces
- Proposals for permits focused on terraced housing
- Pay and display where residents have some off-street parking
- Will be possible to pay for short periods
- Free parking bays – furthest from High Street and alongside flank fences
- One problem – bottom end of Glentrammon Avenue nearest school – not possible to have bays on both sides (only 18ft wide)
- Suggestion – to have loading bay on High Street – but to be limited hours so accessible to public for parking
- Suggest minimum restrictions
- Bays to be marked
- Driveways will be preserved
- Better passing spaces
The following issues were raised:
- Glentrammon Avenue opposite Glentrammon Gardens – need yellow lines as difficult to turn out from Glentrammon Avenue - view restricted by
- Glentrammon Avenue - dust carts reversing – dangerous at junction with Glentrammon Gardens
- High Street parking – is it possible for pay bays to be free for first half hour? (Cllr Grainger agreed to support/argue for first 10-15 minutes being
- Police cars (personal as well as official) – will they have to pay? (Cllr Grainger suggested the possibility of business permits (more expensive
than residents' permits) but excluding residents’ only bays)
- Business bays - lower bays nearer High Street possibly? - Not competing with residents’ bays?
- Pay and display areas to have maximum stay periods – to be agreed
- Residents want to be able to park somewhere and for people to come to Green Street Green to shop but want to stop
excessive all day parking
- Waitrose – manager has mentioned that some staff have shifts longer than 4 hours so maximum parking period may be a problem (Cllr Grainger
has asked for the number of staff who drive and the number who drive and have longer shifts)
- What about visitors' permits for residents to be able to give to their visitors so they can use residents' bays or parking bays free of charge? (Cllr
Grainger pointed out that the permit only bays are relatively few and visitors should be able to use pay and display bays nearby at a reasonable
- High Street – people may be discouraged from shopping in Green Street Green if they have difficulty parking - new proposals may be more
- Parking meters, signs and marked bays will give a more urban feel - want to keep rural aspect
- Tidier parking will only be achieved with marked bays and yellow lines - better for road safety and convenience (Cllr Grainger will check how many
parking meters will be needed)
- What about having a one hour restriction (11am-12pm or 1-2pm) to stop all day parking?
- Could have different one hour restrictions on opposite sides of the road (similar to that in Windsor Drive)
- Pay and display would encourage turnover in parking - allowing more business for shops
- If people have to pay, they may go further to park for free in Tesco and Green Street Green businesses will lose
- Pay and display works in most retail units in the Bromley e.g. Locksbottom – previously lorries parked all day – now cheap parking and spaces
are always available
- 8 spaces between crossing and Queens Head – council lobbied by customers as they cannot see right when turning out of car park, due to
parked cars - so first space being removed, possibly second, for safety
- Residents do not want High Street clogged up all day - proposals will encourage turnover
- Green Street Green has a good community because the shops bring money to the area – would not want anything to impact on this
- Residents' permits do not guarantee being able to park in your own street (Cllr Grainger suggested this was possible in larger areas but unlikely
to happen in Green Street Green)
- Alternative would be time limited free parking but this would raise the issue of enforcement (cost) – currently Green Street Green is not a prime
- Parking all way down Lezayre Road by police station obstructs driveways – also double parking - there was an incident where an ambulance
could not get into Bakers Mews (Cllr Grainger - council officer has taken this into account – double yellow line across entrance to Bakers Mews)
- First priority – residents’ permits for those with no off-street parking
- Second priority – to stop people clogging up the High Street all day
- Third priority – to stop all day parkers (for shops) then being displaced further up residential roads
- Bays alongside walls and fences would be best for long term parking
- Yellow lines across driveways to stop cars parking and blocking them
- Road safety – coming out of Total garage cars park too close – hazard (Cllr Grainger – council wants to remove bus stand and have 2 or 3 car
parking spaces instead but Tfl funds lots of local road schemes and so has to be handled with some care.)
- Councillors trying to get Old Shire Lane opened up as it is unused all day and would provide additional parking
- End of High Street - footway in front of I-Care Centre – looking at getting a few parking spaces there
Below are plans of the DRAFT PROPOSALS (which changed slightly before the final consultation) for new parking restrictions in Green Street Green, to address local concerns about all-day parking causing lack of parking for local residents and customers of local shops:
(click on the links and rotate the plans counterclockwise to view)
Lynne Close and High Street
Lezayre Road and Glentrammon Avenue
Lezayre Road and High Street
Laxey Road and High Street
Laxey Road, High Street and Glentrammon Avenue
Glentrammon Avenue and Glentrammon Gardens
High Street (by Waitrose)
Green Farm Close
21 April 2013
More photos of the new pothole-free, even-surfaced Brittenden Parade. (Click on photos to enlarge them):
20 April 2013
Improvement completed and cars have already christened the new surface!
14 April 2013
New tarmac and pavements:
6 April 2013
Beginning to take shape - flattened surface ready for tarmac?
26 March 2013
Works progressing slowly. One worker on site today but camera shy!
9 March 2013
The works were held up this week due to the weather!
1 March 2013
Works in progress - road dug up. Photos to follow soon.
9 January 2013
Bromley Council have agreed to improve and maintain Brtittenden Parade - see Proposed Making Up (Environment Policy Development and
Scrutiny Committee Minutes 25 September 2012 item 20f)
Copy from Orpington News Shopper
(issued by Bromley Council under the Highways Act 1980 - The Private Street Works Code)
BRITTENDEN PARADE, GREEN STREET GREEN - PRIVATE STREET WORKS SCHEME
NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN THAT
Posts are made by members of the Society to stimulate interest and raise local concerns
See Orpington Community for discussion of issues across a wider area
Click on map to see the Green Street Green area: