12 March 2013
The following public notice was posted in the News Shopper on 6 March: Public Notice ref. Green Street Green Parking Proposals
Anyone who wishes to raise any objections, must respond by 27 March 2013 to the Director of Environmental Services, Civic Centre, Stockwell Close, Bromley BR1 3UH, quoting reference ADE(TP)/RP/T100/591.
27 September 2012
Environment Committee approved proposals at meeting on 25 September (see Item 20e - draft minutes).
Proposal plans can be viewed here: Proposal 1 (High Street up to Laxey Road) and Proposal 2 (Laxey Road to World's End Lane)
Following the consultation, the proposals will be scrutinised at the meeting of the Environment Committee on Tuesday 25 September
(Agenda Item 7e).
Councillor Julian Grainger has provided the following analysis of the survey/comments:
* Laxey & Lezayre
Not enough few residents indicated a willingness to consider Permits - even the £40 option.
- Laxey 7 out out of the 18 without a drive
- Lezayre 4 out of the 6 without a drive
In each case the Permit supporters were scattered (even in Lezayre) so it would not be practical to have even one short Permit bay.
* Glentrammon Avenue
23 households considered there was a problem in their road.
The proposals were not supported - even though 16 indicated a preference for either reduced cars or shorter stays.
With these 3 roads being at the heart of the problem, and apparently no clear view discernible, there was a brief flirtation with deferring - with the risk of losing momentum. As this would leave the problems unresolved meetings were held to see if there was any way to make progress.
Fortunately there is some encouraging news about creating extra parking.
- Old Shire Lane has a viable scheme drafted
- Bus stand in front of Shell garage - Transport for London have agreed to a temporary (6 mth) suspension. Bromley Council will remove the
- Large footway in front of ICARE. The over-large pavement could be cut back providing 4 extra spaces.
So through the fog of a myriad of seemingly conflicting comments from residents it is thought that a "Phase 1" is possible.
* Laxey & Lezayre
- Bays marked (as per consultation) but no Permits, Pay & Display or reduced hours.
- One hour Single Yellow Line on one side, halfway up (about 30 yards in Laxey, 50 yards in Lezayre)
Reasoning: Marked bays should tidy parking away from drives and rear access. SYL should reduce dense, all day parking in the mid-sections.
* Glentrammon Avenue
On closer examination, objections were around the siting of specific marked bays, the junction with Glentrammon Gardens and the short section from No.4 to No.8 (No. 15 to No.21) - between the bends.
- No marked bays, just gaps in yellow lines
- One hour Single Yellow Line (with some gaps) for the majority, Double Yellow Line (with fewer gaps) between Laxey & Nos 4/15
- Some proposed bays/gaps removed, mostly covered by 1 hour SYL or DYL (the former allowing short stays, the latter no parking)
Reasoning: Gaps in Yellow lines will direct parking to acceptable spots, suitably scattered. Single Yellow Line still allows for shorter stays elsewhere in Glentrammon Avenue. Double Yellow Lines focused on section between the bends. Fewer signs and markings.
- Proceed with Pay & Display from Waitrose to Lezayre Road (i.e. not near Queens Head, opp. Nos. 8 to 20)
- Propose 50p hour (instead of 60p) with 10p of time being allowed.
- Pushing for 9am - 5pm but officers want "standard" 8:30am to 6:30pm
Reasoning: P&D encourages turnover allowing more customers to visit. Section nr Queens Head needed for residents & shopkeepers.
* Other minor proposals to proceed, with minor adjustments suggested by residents
Officers believe that a "Phase 1" is viable - and would be reviewed in 6 months anyway.
Impact less than the original proposal but should tidy parking (i.e. better than nothing)
If Old Shire Lane can be implemented soon it should draw Metrobus staff away.
The revised proposals are very adjustable (e.g. add or delete road markings) so unexpected impacts dealt with quickly.
A PUBLIC CONSULTATION took place during August, closing on 7 September: Finalised proposals were notified to all residents in affected roads. There was a period for feedback and comments were collected and analysed, before final recommendations were decided by the council.
At a meeting held at the Greenwood Community Centre on 13 April, just under 40 local residents and traders discussed the DRAFT proposals put forward by Councillor Julian Grainger from Bromley Council. The feedback from this meeting will be taken into consideration and final proposals
will be submitted by Bromley Council to all residents in a couple of months - probably May/June. Then a full public consultation will take place before a final decision is made by the council. Council officers want to get the proposals as near as possible to what is wanted by residents, before sending them out for consultation.
The Chair of the Green Street Green Village Society, Tony Bradley, and Councillor Grainger gave a brief summary:
- Concentrating on high street
- Kingsley Road – parking on pavement to be allowed on uphill side
- Lynne Close – proposing some free parking
- Lezayre and Laxey Road – residents cannot park outside their own houses – proposal to have residents’ only parking and pay and display (which
residents with permits can also use)
- Glentrammon Avenue – proposing free parking
- High Street – proposals for pay and display – some time limited (to be agreed)
- Green Farm Close – proposing a few more spaces
- Proposals for permits focused on terraced housing
- Pay and display where residents have some off-street parking
- Will be possible to pay for short periods
- Free parking bays – furthest from High Street and alongside flank fences
- One problem – bottom end of Glentrammon Avenue nearest school – not possible to have bays on both sides (only 18ft wide)
- Suggestion – to have loading bay on High Street – but to be limited hours so accessible to public for parking
- Suggest minimum restrictions
- Bays to be marked
- Driveways will be preserved
- Better passing spaces
The following issues were raised:
- Glentrammon Avenue opposite Glentrammon Gardens – need yellow lines as difficult to turn out from Glentrammon Avenue - view restricted by
- Glentrammon Avenue - dust carts reversing – dangerous at junction with Glentrammon Gardens
- High Street parking – is it possible for pay bays to be free for first half hour? (Cllr Grainger agreed to support/argue for first 10-15 minutes being
- Police cars (personal as well as official) – will they have to pay? (Cllr Grainger suggested the possibility of business permits (more expensive
than residents' permits) but excluding residents’ only bays)
- Business bays - lower bays nearer High Street possibly? - Not competing with residents’ bays?
- Pay and display areas to have maximum stay periods – to be agreed
- Residents want to be able to park somewhere and for people to come to Green Street Green to shop but want to stop
excessive all day parking
- Waitrose – manager has mentioned that some staff have shifts longer than 4 hours so maximum parking period may be a problem (Cllr Grainger
has asked for the number of staff who drive and the number who drive and have longer shifts)
- What about visitors' permits for residents to be able to give to their visitors so they can use residents' bays or parking bays free of charge? (Cllr
Grainger pointed out that the permit only bays are relatively few and visitors should be able to use pay and display bays nearby at a reasonable
- High Street – people may be discouraged from shopping in Green Street Green if they have difficulty parking - new proposals may be more
- Parking meters, signs and marked bays will give a more urban feel - want to keep rural aspect
- Tidier parking will only be achieved with marked bays and yellow lines - better for road safety and convenience (Cllr Grainger will check how many
parking meters will be needed)
- What about having a one hour restriction (11am-12pm or 1-2pm) to stop all day parking?
- Could have different one hour restrictions on opposite sides of the road (similar to that in Windsor Drive)
- Pay and display would encourage turnover in parking - allowing more business for shops
- If people have to pay, they may go further to park for free in Tesco and Green Street Green businesses will lose
- Pay and display works in most retail units in the Bromley e.g. Locksbottom – previously lorries parked all day – now cheap parking and spaces
are always available
- 8 spaces between crossing and Queens Head – council lobbied by customers as they cannot see right when turning out of car park, due to
parked cars - so first space being removed, possibly second, for safety
- Residents do not want High Street clogged up all day - proposals will encourage turnover
- Green Street Green has a good community because the shops bring money to the area – would not want anything to impact on this
- Residents' permits do not guarantee being able to park in your own street (Cllr Grainger suggested this was possible in larger areas but unlikely
to happen in Green Street Green)
- Alternative would be time limited free parking but this would raise the issue of enforcement (cost) – currently Green Street Green is not a prime
- Parking all way down Lezayre Road by police station obstructs driveways – also double parking - there was an incident where an ambulance
could not get into Bakers Mews (Cllr Grainger - council officer has taken this into account – double yellow line across entrance to Bakers Mews)
- First priority – residents’ permits for those with no off-street parking
- Second priority – to stop people clogging up the High Street all day
- Third priority – to stop all day parkers (for shops) then being displaced further up residential roads
- Bays alongside walls and fences would be best for long term parking
- Yellow lines across driveways to stop cars parking and blocking them
- Road safety – coming out of Total garage cars park too close – hazard (Cllr Grainger – council wants to remove bus stand and have 2 or 3 car
parking spaces instead but Tfl funds lots of local road schemes and so has to be handled with some care.)
- Councillors trying to get Old Shire Lane opened up as it is unused all day and would provide additional parking
- End of High Street - footway in front of I-Care Centre – looking at getting a few parking spaces there
Below are plans of the DRAFT PROPOSALS (which changed slightly before the final consultation) for new parking restrictions in Green Street Green, to address local concerns about all-day parking causing lack of parking for local residents and customers of local shops:
(click on the links and rotate the plans counterclockwise to view)
Lynne Close and High Street
Lezayre Road and Glentrammon Avenue
Lezayre Road and High Street
Laxey Road and High Street
Laxey Road, High Street and Glentrammon Avenue
Glentrammon Avenue and Glentrammon Gardens
High Street (by Waitrose)
Green Farm Close
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